<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/"
	>

<channel>
	<title>Life and Theology &#187; incarnation</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.benreed.net/index.php/tag/incarnation/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.benreed.net</link>
	<description>Thoughts on how I see the world</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:04:39 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<language>en</language>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
		<item>
		<title>Rob Bell, Drops Like Stars</title>
		<link>http://www.benreed.net/index.php/2009/12/28/rob-bell-drops-like-stars/</link>
		<comments>http://www.benreed.net/index.php/2009/12/28/rob-bell-drops-like-stars/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>benlreed</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Book Review]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[drops like stars]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[incarnation]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[review]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[rob bell]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[suffering]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.benreed.net/?p=1137</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I was able to see Rob Bell at TPAC&#8217;s War Memorial on December 9th.  I like Rob.  I think he&#8217;s innovative, pushing the Church to think outside of the proverbial box.  I thoroughly enjoyed his lecture.  It was a fascinating look at suffering, seeking to not answer the question of &#8220;Why, God?!?&#8221; but &#8220;What now?&#8221;  [...]<p><a href="http://www.benreed.net/index.php/2009/12/28/rob-bell-drops-like-stars/">Rob Bell, Drops Like Stars</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.benreed.net">Life and Theology</a></p>
]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.robbell.com/dropslikestars/"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1183" title="Drops Like Stars" src="http://www.benreed.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/dls1-244x300.jpg" alt="Drops Like Stars" width="244" height="300" /></a>I was able to see <a href="http://www.robbell.com/">Rob Bell</a> at TPAC&#8217;s War Memorial on December 9th.  I like Rob.  I think he&#8217;s innovative, pushing the Church to think outside of the proverbial box.  I thoroughly enjoyed his lecture.  It was a fascinating look at suffering, seeking to not answer the question of &#8220;Why, God?!?&#8221; but &#8220;What now?&#8221;  It was a compelling lecture/sermon, and if Rob Bell happens to come to your town, I highly suggest picking up a few tickets, and taking a few key leaders along with you.  You won&#8217;t be disappointed.</p>
<p>But can I nitpick for a minute (and that&#8217;s all it is&#8230;nitpicking.  If Rob could further explain himself on this point, it might have made more sense.  But, nonetheless&#8230;)?  In talking about the &#8220;art of solidarity, and the ways that suffering helps to bond us as we build community through shared suffering,&#8221; Bell mentioned &#8220;the cross, the ultimate act of peace and reconciliation.  God didn&#8217;t avoid suffering.&#8221;  Instead, God is with us through it.  Then he shared this:</p>
<blockquote><p>The point of the incarnation is that there&#8217;s someone else screaming alongside us.</p></blockquote>
<p>I get what he&#8217;s saying.  There&#8217;s comfort in the midst of suffering when we know we&#8217;re not alone.  And I believe that.  Suffering is eased when we live life in relationship with others who can share that burden with us.  That&#8217;s part of the goal of the Church (and the means of achieving that goal, too).  And knowing that God doesn&#8217;t leave me to my own devices when I suffer is a source of comfort.  However, it is not the <em><strong>point</strong></em> of the incarnation.</p>
<p>The main point of the incarnation is <em><strong>not</strong></em> that we have someone to walk through painful situations with us.</p>
<p><strong>The point of the incarnation is that we weren&#8217;t good enough to save ourselves.</strong> Because of our sin,<em> we needed</em> God himself to come and die the death that we deserved.</p>
<p>A <em><strong>sidebar</strong></em> (and I think it&#8217;s important to make that subtle distinction) of the incarnation is that God is with us through suffering.  But it&#8217;s only a sidebar, at best.  The much better news is not that God is present with us through suffering, but that the suffering Christ endured is ONCE FOR ALL!  I don&#8217;t want to serve a God who merely weeps with me.  I want to serve a God who redeems me, who is more powerful than suffering, and who is willing and able to create a world where there is no suffering (Revelation 21:4), no crying, no pain, no death.</p>
<p><em><strong>Don&#8217;t</strong></em> point people to the incarnation as God&#8217;s identifying suffering and weeping along with us.  Point people to the incarnation as hope that <em>suffering will one day be complete</em>.</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong><em>Do you want a God who weeps with you? Or One who will redeem you from the curse of pain?<br />
</em></strong></span></p>
<blockquote><p>Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:<br />
Who, being in very nature God,<br />
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,<br />
but made himself nothing,<br />
taking the very nature of a servant,<br />
being made in human likeness.<br />
And being found in appearance as a man,<br />
he humbled himself<br />
and became obedient to death—<br />
even death on a cross!<br />
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place<br />
and gave him the name that is above every name,<br />
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,<br />
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,<br />
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,<br />
to the glory of God the Father.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.benreed.net/index.php/2009/12/28/rob-bell-drops-like-stars/">Rob Bell, Drops Like Stars</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.benreed.net">Life and Theology</a></p>
<div class="evernoteSiteMemory"><a href="javascript:" onclick="Evernote.doClip({title: 'Rob Bell, Drops Like Stars',url: 'http://www.benreed.net/index.php/2009/12/28/rob-bell-drops-like-stars/',contentID: 'post-1137',suggestNotebook: 'Life &amp; Theology Blog',suggestTags: 'drops like stars,incarnation,review,rob bell,suffering',providerName: 'Life &amp; Theology',styling: 'full' });return false" class="evernoteSiteMemoryLink"><img src="http://static.evernote.com/article-clipper-remember.png" class="evernoteSiteMemoryButton" />
				</a>				<div class="evernoteSiteMemoryClear">&nbsp;</div>
</div>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.benreed.net/index.php/2009/12/28/rob-bell-drops-like-stars/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>2</slash:comments>
		</item>
	</channel>
</rss>

